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Meet the 3 Non Joggers

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Russ, Gary The Vale and Carl The Mailman

Two runners and a mailman who hang out and drink beer in a Portland basement make one of the most entertaining podcasts about running today.

Russ, Gary the Vale and Carl the Mailman — aka  the 3 Non Joggers — attempt to talk about running, but beer and jokes usually get in the way. Carl and Russ were longtime friends, and Russ and Gary met while training for a 100 mile race and decided to collaborate on a podcast. Hilarity ensued.

The 3 Non Joggers are uniquely suited to the format with Russ the former standup comic, Carl the Mailman offering technical expertise and Gary, well, “always has been Gary The Vale,” Russ says.

“Apparently, I’m the only one without a definite article in my name,” Russ adds. “Maybe I should shoot for Russ (Some) McGarry?”

Here the 3 Non Joggers discuss their favorite beers, ultra running and their big podcast ambitions.

Do the 3 non joggers have a beer of choice for the podcast?

Gary The Vale: I just drink whatever is available. I just started drinking beer and do enjoy the microbrews, especially the dark stuff. I like Trader Jose Dark premium lager and Guinness.

Russ: I am a HUGE fan of Rogue Dead Guy Ale. At 7% ABV, two of ‘em keep my loose and warm for the hour of recording. I also dig Hop Czar IPA by Bridgeport here in Portlandia to sip on: It has that tart, hoppy finish that gets your tongue all twirled up.

Carl The Mailman: I love creamy ales: Boddingtons, Old Speckled and such. It just so happens that most of them come in tall-boy cans. I lean toward cans while recording, because bottles just don’t sound the same being opened up on microphone.

How about a beer of choice after you run?

GTV: I normally don’t drink beer after I run. Russ is the beer drinker and he is slowly getting me hooked. I think one of the beers I enjoy is called Mirror Pond Pale ale which is really good after a run. It’s from Deschutes Brewery out of Bend, Oregon.

Russ: I hate to admit it, but after a long run (especially in the summer heat), I really prefer something, well, kinda watered down. I’ve even picked up Miller Genuine Draft tall boys on the way home from the trails. A heavier beer is just too much to stomach on a hot day. Of course, by my third, I’m back to local craft beers.

CTM: I truly hate running. Though in the summer time, after a long day of being a mailman, nothing is more refreshing than a cold beer in the shower. Shower beer should definitely be in a can. No one likes walking on broken glass… except Annie Lennox.

What sort of beer do drink after running 100 miles?

Russ: I can’t wait to hear Gary’s response. Dude’s been drinking beer for a total of 12 weeks.

GTV: A substantial beer with lots of flavor and calories. So that would be Obsidian Stout from Deschutes Brewery which is a dark black beer that weighs in at 6.4% alcohol and 220 calories per 12oz.

CTM: I remember watching Gary beer bong 7 Natty Lites & jog off for a victory lap, screaming & high-fiving the spectators. Or not.

What are your biggest accomplishments in running and beer drinking?

GTV: My 23 hour 11 minute finish in my 1st 100 miler, the Lean Horse 100 in 2008. And maybe my 2:51 marathon, my best time,at the Portland Marathon in 1991. And also my 9hr 10 min 50 mile finish last year at the MT Hood 50 miler. As far as beer drinking goes, that is probably in the future on future podcasts.

Russ: If by “biggest accomplishments” you mean, “what has nearly killed me”? The Pine to Palm 100 miler in southern Oregon greeted Gary and me with 50 MPH winds and sideways rain along with next-to-impossible terrain. I felt lucky to crawl it in to mile 65 before DNFing. The sense of satisfaction after that beats any PR hands-down. Beer-wise: I fell in with the locals in Tipperary, Ireland one night and probably drank enough Guinness over the course of 6 hours to fill a warehouse. And that’s before the vodka shots. Ugh. Speaking of crawling…

What can people expect from you and your podcasts?

GTV: More of the same format for the podcasts, as they seem to strike the right balance between entertainment and hard core running talk. I think they will become more and more packed with both as we continue to improve at this new endeavor. I think it’s in episode 4 where Carl rudely blows an air horn when Russ is trying to introduce me. That was funny. And I think Russ and I did a great job of describing how hard it is to run 100 miles I think that was in episode 19 or 20.

Russ: Our usual rambling, snarky comments, and rampant attempts to talk about running. We know we’re not everyone’s cup of stout – er – tea: We’re our listeners’ running buddies, and that kind of talk doesn’t necessarily revolve around running 100% of the time. Highlights? Having elite ultra runners Amy Sproston and Yassine Diboune in studio was an absolute honor. And watching Gary knock over beers and microphones is like having Harpo Marx in your basement.

CTM: As long as people keep listening, we will continue to move forward with the show, using the same formula we have been using all along. We have found our voices by being peoples Running Buddies. I am not sure – given my dislike for jogging in any form – if I could do a show with these guys where all that is talked about is jogging.

What are your future plans for beer, running, and podcasting?

GTV: Beer is a world that I have just been introduced to and I am excited about exploring all the different microbrews Portland has to offer. For running, improving my times in ultras is my focus. And to enjoy every run with my friends.  The exciting thing about 3 non joggers is that it is evolving into something I could not have envisioned. So I really don’t know how it will change, but it will be good. And fun!

Russ: I want to get more into sour beers. Russian River’s Consecration was my first intro to sours, and I couldn’t get enough. Luckily the pub I was bartending at had a keg so I could experiment after my shifts. I’ll likely run a couple of 50ks this summer, along with the Mt. Hood 50 miler in July. No 100 milers for me this year, but I’ll possibly pace someone at the Cascade Crest 100 in Washington in August. Podcasting: 3 Non Joggers will keep on dropping every week, with bigger names in distance running as guests. We have a couple of incredible interviews lined up for the near future, so keep on listening and non jogging!

CTM: Having the audio gear in Russell’s basement has really encouraged us to record other things. I write about simple things that happen to me while on my mail route & lay down an audio version. Russ is working on a stellar audio piece about the Western States 100 Miler. I think people are going to be blown away when they hear what he has in store for them. 3 Non Joggers is not going anywhere for a while. So… more jogging-talk for me. Damn.


Tim Cigelske is DRAFT's Beer Runner. (Beer Run•ner [noun]: Someone equally devoted to fine beer appreciation and an active, healthy lifestyle. Ex. "John downed four microbrews at the triathlon finish line. He's a total beer runner.”) Follow Tim on Twitter @TheBeerRunner, and email him at beerrunner [at]

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  • fatozzig says:

    I’m a rabid – er, um – avid, yeah, avid, fan of these guys. If you haven’t listened to their podcast, what the heck are you waiting for?

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